The team is the only thing holding me to ZZ at this point. There is nothing in the marketplace that is attractive and the cost is extreme. If John wants to keep it going he will have to come up with something. He has made it clear that cash will not return, so he will need to be really creative and find something that will satisfy his members. But to me the interaction with the team there is invaluable. There is so much information to be learned from others experiences! It will be a sad day if it goes away but I hope he can pull it from the downward spiral. I never made any money from ZZ, everything I got and then some went back into the site and the team. But I really miss the competition! I think Clare is right in that John is lacking motivation. And I can't blame him for that. It must be very difficult to deal with the nastiness that he has gotten and the constant badgering of "when will money come back" when he has said that it won't. Reminds me of "Are we there yet" from the kids on a road trip. The members can help John by giving him a break from that noise so he can regroup and figure it out.