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#41 Clare Bowen

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Posted 02 August 2018 - 05:04 PM

Perfect sense to me :-))

 

The partner thing. I didn't pay a lot of attention at the time, but this is an email sent to me, and I assume to many other members too by Matthew. This was in March, but its not the first time I got something along this line from him. Its seems that some did buy into it, or at least two that I know of because they send me regular mails and identify the sites where they are partner in.

 

Hi,

I have a couple of openings in my Site Partner program where you can be a part owner of one of my websites with guaranteed list building and income. The latest program is considerably enhanced, with more training, coaching, and weekly live sessions to help build your online business.

Are you interested?

Matthew


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#42 Margot Lawrence

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Posted 02 August 2018 - 06:02 PM

Is anyone able to login to his mailers or is it just me that's not able?

 

I can log in to some of the sites, but not all of them. On the ones where I can log in, many of the site features are missing. I assume this is because there's still some rebuilding to be done after the server problem.


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Posted 07 August 2018 - 07:03 AM

All I can say is wow! 

 

Imo Matthew's intent was clear, which was to offer partnerships to fund each site launch. Now on the back end, revenue isn't coming in fast enough to pay back investors.

 

This is speculation on my part but new site launches every month could be a sign of using new investor money to pay back other prior investors. If true, that makes it very ponzi-scheme-ish. I truly hope that isn't the case and once he brings the sites back up he can start paying.

 


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#44 Margot Lawrence

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Posted 08 August 2018 - 02:18 PM

All I can say is wow! 

 

Imo Matthew's intent was clear, which was to offer partnerships to fund each site launch. Now on the back end, revenue isn't coming in fast enough to pay back investors.

 

This is speculation on my part but new site launches every month could be a sign of using new investor money to pay back other prior investors. If true, that makes it very ponzi-scheme-ish. I truly hope that isn't the case and once he brings the sites back up he can start paying.

 

There were originally supposed to be only four partners on each site - Matthew and 3 others - each receiving one quarter share of the site's profits. There are already more than four partners on each site, and he's advertising for more - so, even if he used new money coming in to pay the original investors (which he hasn't!), nobody would receive the one quarter share that was promised.


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Posted 09 August 2018 - 11:36 AM

There were originally supposed to be only four partners on each site - Matthew and 3 others - each receiving one quarter share of the site's profits. There are already more than four partners on each site, and he's advertising for more - so, even if he used new money coming in to pay the original investors (which he hasn't!), nobody would receive the one quarter share that was promised.

 

I didn't know there were only supposed to be four partners total originally. Interesting.


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Posted 09 August 2018 - 05:08 PM

I signed up for all of his sites. Sure glad I read these posts. I sure want be upgrading any of his sites now

Thans Maryanne and Clare.


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#47 Maryanne Myers -Webstars2K

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Posted 10 August 2018 - 11:45 AM

I signed up for all of his sites. Sure glad I read these posts. I sure want be upgrading any of his sites now

Thans Maryanne and Clare.

 

Oh, Margot started the thread :) I think she is an investor, not sure


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Posted 17 August 2018 - 03:01 AM

I purchased solo ads at his site few years ago.  Most of my ads did not receive 1000 clicks.  I did not bother asking him why.


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Posted 13 November 2018 - 08:45 PM

How does one get a refund from Matthew Graves?  He went from  surfing sites to  mailer sitse which I have no interest in.  I have 3 lifetime memberships in the surfing sites which are now useless to me as mailer sites!  I have demanded refunds and he claims that, "it is your choice not to use it (the site.)"  and ruses refund claiming that the 30 day time  limit has passed. He waited way past the 30 day limit to change his business model!  I feel that this is fraud.


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#50 John Lederer

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Posted 22 November 2018 - 02:41 AM

I think it is really important to call these things out, so it is in the public.. people can do a google search and look up someone's reputation pretty easily. It helps people know who to avoid.

Well said Darren!


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#51 John Lederer

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Posted 22 November 2018 - 02:45 AM

Matthew Graves owed me money several months ago.

Actually; I had requested a refund of $18...he ignored it UNTIL

I contacted him via email.

 

I also told him I was now aware he is a scammer and to

not even think of ignoring my refund request as I will surely

notify EVERYONE I KNOW! He knows I have been a marketer

since 1995 and to not take me seriously would be his mistake.

 

He refunded me rather quickly!  :D


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Posted 22 November 2018 - 06:44 PM

Matthew Graves owed me money several months ago.

Actually; I had requested a refund of $18...he ignored it UNTIL

I contacted him via email.

 

I also told him I was now aware he is a scammer and to

not even think of ignoring my refund request as I will surely

notify EVERYONE I KNOW! He knows I have been a marketer

since 1995 and to not take me seriously would be his mistake.

 

He refunded me rather quickly!  :D

Glad it worked for you!  Matthew Graves has ignored me repeatedly and then told me that he is providing a different service, but I am choosing not to use it.  I then told him unless I receive refunds for the 3 sites I paid for lifetime memberships, I would file a complaint with Canadian authorities.  Apparently he doesn't care because there has been no response. He heeds to be shut down!


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#53 Phil Banks

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Posted 29 January 2019 - 12:09 AM

He's owed me hundreds of dollars for nearly 2 years now.

 

When I started complaining on Facebook, I received the following response in Messenger:

 

 

In case you haven't noticed Phil. Those who complain the most get served last. In my sites, the squeky wheel doesnt get the grease, it get replaced or ignored.

I have paid over $10,000 in commissions since the beginning of 2018 ... just not to the whiners who like to complain.

My mother taught me to treat others as they treat you. If you want to bad mouth me, then don't expect me to treat you with respect in return. For every Facebook whiner, I have thousands of happy customers. Those are the people who I work for everyday.

 

 

So basically, I didn't get paid because I kicked off about not getting paid. (after numerous polite requests)

 

Personally, I would have greased the squeeky wheel. It solves the problem immediately.

 

Maybe  he can't actually afford to pay. Replacing every wheel that squeeks must be incredibly expensive.


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#54 John Lederer

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Posted 30 January 2019 - 08:23 AM

There is a thing called risk in which everybody knows when the money is put on the table. Learn by your mistakes and move on.

I don't agree! You said "learn by your MISTAKE"? There's no way to KNOW it was a mistake

until one parts with their money UNLESS they do some research first. Most people don't do that until

after they purchase.

Matthew owed me money and I got refunded rather quickly because I warned him

not to play that game with me! Yes, you have to threaten that guy in order to get refunded it seems.

I don't recommend joining his mailers either.


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#55 Maryanne Myers -Webstars2K

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Posted 31 January 2019 - 06:14 AM

He's owed me hundreds of dollars for nearly 2 years now.

 

When I started complaining on Facebook, I received the following response in Messenger:

 

 

In case you haven't noticed Phil. Those who complain the most get served last. In my sites, the squeky wheel doesnt get the grease, it get replaced or ignored.

I have paid over $10,000 in commissions since the beginning of 2018 ... just not to the whiners who like to complain.

My mother taught me to treat others as they treat you. If you want to bad mouth me, then don't expect me to treat you with respect in return. For every Facebook whiner, I have thousands of happy customers. Those are the people who I work for everyday.

 

 

So basically, I didn't get paid because I kicked off about not getting paid. (after numerous polite requests)

 

Personally, I would have greased the squeeky wheel. It solves the problem immediately.

 

Maybe  he can't actually afford to pay. Replacing every wheel that squeeks must be incredibly expensive.

 

....I'm speechless. Hardly even know what to say about that. Shocked.

That is not how you handle things. What you do is, RUN and pay what is owed to that member because it's your mistake overlooking it or delaying for whatever reason.

And you certainly do not brag about how much you are paying out to people, when people reporting that they are not getting ...PAID.

So, what happened? Does it just sit there in your account? For how long tho? if you dont mind me asking?


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#56 Phil Banks

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Posted 31 January 2019 - 07:29 AM

It just sat there in my commissions page.

 

I took some captures to prove it before he took all those pages down.

 

Here's an example of one of them

 

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Posted 31 January 2019 - 11:57 AM

I believe he started out with good intentions, but then everything after that has been a steady decline. ie not paying commissions on solos, not answering tickets, launching ad sites with lifetime OTO fees only to relaunch the exact same site again with a refresh (and charge again etc)

 

I think he is just being overwhelmed with his entire empire of ad sites, needs money to keep coming in, but can't maintain his day to day tasks.

 

Not just anyone can effectively run a network of ad sites. Matthew is trying, albeit falling short on a lot of fronts.  I am thankful however, whenever people attempt to launch some sort of advertising platform that myself can benefit from, because I am an advertiser and I believe that more advertising is better than less.


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#58 Maryanne Myers -Webstars2K

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Posted 31 January 2019 - 12:51 PM

Then they shouldnt open more sites. Make the current ones sell first.

 

I have 17 sites with a bigger membership than what he has (it was more but I merged some into my 2 Pangea's which are very successful since doing that) but the sites are each programmed by me, from scratch in a text pad of all things. Pay my people out, answer my own support tickets, do my own graphics, and do my own dedicated  servers. And that isnt the entire list of what I do. No support people, no hired programmers,not even graphic design, no replicated scripts (copies). But I still pay people, which is also 5 figures in commissions a year too. It is not OK to excuse people when I kick my @ss every single day (no vacation for the past several years either) and a few others do the same level also. But those exuses would not survive if this was the restaurant world. The restaurants would go under.

 

BTW, I'm not here to bash people. I am just very blunt about things on how it is. And I do wonder what's up with putting out 20 sites with the same script and not paying people. He is one of the older owners on here, not the oldest but near it and this is unusual, the past couple years. I actually miss the orginal sites he had.


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#59 Clare Bowen

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Posted 01 February 2019 - 04:13 AM

Well, Phil's reply from Matthew, might have put this into better perspective, at least for me. Because I've listened to one of his coaching videos, where he goes into depth about how he treats his five star prospects for long-term benefits, focusing all his attention on them etc. I guess, if you're not in this category for some or other reason, you're no longer important to him.

 

I think it has to be pointed out, that the man considers himself to be a legendary list builder. In my opinion, he launches and relaunches so many sites because they're a trawling net for prospects. One of the best "lead magnets" known in marketing is "free traffic". And sure he sells upgrades, of course, but the long-term benefits he's looking for are more related to his own personal list. I think it's more a case of come up with a new innovative idea around a mailer, enough to generate excitement and pull in subscribers (same script, just a clone and a new idea). I don't think he was always like this, I think he's been "sharpening" his skills and tweaking his business in a way that he's managed to justify to himself and is trying justify to those who will listen to him.


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#60 John Lederer

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Posted 01 February 2019 - 09:02 AM

Well said Maryanne Meyers!

You are a true friend in this business!


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