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Sounds like another Email Syndicate where they pay you to send emails but you don't get to send your own mail and the links are all divided on a percentage of the upsell so you get cents or a few dollars for it. The cashout at $300 is particularly scummy as they are relying on people to lose interest or pay out of their own pocket to recoup those losses. These programs come and go all the time and to be honest unless you have a list of your own it's not worth doing the work for them in return for a pittance.

Trust me these clowns never change. They just keep going on and pretending nothing happened. Case in point Vick the prick Strizheus is back shilling his Four Percent Group again. They never learn because they are never held accountable for their actions.

If you want to keep up the awareness on this clown and own a Traffic exchange or Website then feel free to add this link I've been seeing a lot of recently. https://honestmarketer.wixsite.com/mattcon

You know with all these domain names popping up I think Graves is doing the Brand House technique relaunching the same thing over and over but under a different name and presumably with the same database of users. Also in all his 'motivational' crap why does he always sound like he is going to cry?

Well it was asked 11 months ago so have you been paid 11 months later?

TDL has been updated with that list given by Richard. Thanks for that This is the message members will now see when adding one of Graves sites and the Here's Why links back to this Forum

Thanks for the list Richard. I will be updating TDLs records shortly.

So naturally you have banned his sites being promoted on your platforms right? Speaking of, can anyone provide a list of Graves sites along with the domains so I can update my records for TDL?

So Geomc57 did you get paid?

TDL Machine has done quite well for members and it doesn't even require promotion

What she said

There is no question he knows about it as he was calling you and Maryanne out for turning against him in his webinar and then says there is no need to defend himself from 'haters' (classic line of the conman where everyone who opposes his/her product is a hater)

I have a feeling these 'positive reviews' we've seen in the last few days is the result of this page being promoted on exchanges (I've seen the page below myself a few times). Seems Matt has sent people to defend his unethical business practices. Could be Matt himself and if so Welcome Matt to the forum of truth where he cannot control the narrative. https://honestmarketer.wixsite.com/mattcon

I can't believe this thread was started that long ago (2016). That was when TDL 2.0 was the All in one marketing system (hence the name The Downliner) and before it became a Cooperative Exchange. Today the system is a reciprocal cooperative traffic exchange system (TDL 4.0) and still has something no other site has which is the Social Post Feature and allows you to post to Social Networks without needing a Social Account! The only system that is actively blocking bad sources to make sure our members receive only effective traffic and still the only exchange that charges you for Unique Views with non-unique views given free! In 2020 a lot has changed not least the design. Today you have all the features of the previous system but with a few more added in like The TDL Machine which only requires you to join, upgrade and receive paid signups without having to promote. Check out the new system today as I really value feedback. Join HERE

I was warned about GoFounders last year when the hype train was on full Steam ahead. When you are being invited to a program where the profits are the priority to the discussion rather than the actual product and its benefits exercise caution.

That site has been offline for over a week now. Anyone know whats up?

If you want to call Graves out on his inability to run a business then you can catch his webinar now https://events.genndi.com/live/169105139238439780/d755d59118/0/Wx176156803Av Likely he already banned me lol.

I use VMPayday.com Why? Because I own it lol and it has one tool I have not found anywhere else. That's why I decided to build it in the first place. Feel free to take a look (its called the Easy Mail Clicker and anyone can use it)

This is the Dashboard of 2020. Enjoy

A live chatroom of the program you are joining is also a good sign the owner is on the level I have 3. 1 on Skype, 1 on Telegram and 1 on LiveSupport Platform.

That's the problem with sites changing hands to new owners because from that point the name of the game is pass the buck. We saw this with TimTechs NerdBux which defrauded the entire memberbase of approx $90k by selling the script to a serial scammer for $1. Then the new owner changed the rules of commission liability to ridiculous ones like if you have not logged in for 7 days you lose your account and commissions. In regards to LAS i can't really comment on the commission situation there as i have not really promoted it and although i was paid in the early days of launch I have not been due any other commissions.

They've never paid. Avoid like the plague.

Sounds like he is getting desperate now as he is also offering everyone who joins $100 if they fail. Now where did I hear that guarantee before? Ah yes Email Syndicate except in their marketing videos they didn't mention the $100 was just a number added to your account with a minimum withdrawal figure at $400 so you can never actually withdraw it unless you market their products for them with their referral link and make around 7 cents a click. You can imagine how many emails you would have to send out to get to that minimum withdrawal figure and in their case even those who did manage the minimum withdrawal were just ignored

In many cases the purported 'Gurus' are the pond scum hence the 7 figures (the illusion of wealth is what drives them) so don't feel bad you trusted someone as that puts any marketer in a very dangerous situation where it can go either way but occasionally I see it go the way of believing everyone and everything online is out to scam you and that can really hurt your bottom line. Understand yes there are bad eggs and it's usually those marketing something that you would consider too good to be true and with very short timeframes given to achieve such results. However as you have seen from this Forum there are good eggs. Learn to spot the difference and you'll do much better in your chosen profession. BTW that advice was not aimed specifically at you as you may be more adept at Marketing but for anyone just starting out, take heed

Heads up everyone the guy is back. I've been receiving multiple emails daily from him regarding his soon to launch Web's Best Traffic site where already he is charging "Early bird" discounts. At the end of the day if you are joining something to make money but are never getting paid the only reason left to continue to use it would be the traffic it provides to other sites you promote that actually pay but for me if both sides are not solid then the whole thing collapses eventually. Would you keep working in a job that doesn't pay you? If i join a site for traffic and I enjoy using it then I may want others to experience it by joining me but if I am joining for Traffic and find no point in referring then who is going to continue to use the Traffic element knowing that 100% of your purchases are going to a scam owner? So yeah be prepared for what's coming because Matthew still thinks he is an authority in this industry and at this point I don't think he will ever be in a position to redeem himself. I shudder to think of the accumulated, unpaid commission he must now owe on most if not all of his sites. I don't see how he could come back from this. As an aside someone needs to get onto Stripe which he uses for his CC payments and give them a link to this page as I think it explains quite well just how much of a con man Mr Graves really is. Also for anyone who used a CC to join his sites simply contact your bank to initiate a charge back as this not only gets you your money back but also comes with a charge back fee to the Stripe account used to facilitate the transaction. Before you know it the account will be in negative and that should prompt Stripe to act to prevent further charge backs.