Darren Olander

You are right.. they are used a lot.. but I do still like them personally.

Fan pages COULD be considered a list if your posts actually reached them everytime.. unfortunately it is not really because when you make posts only a small percentage of them will actually see your post unless you pay Facebook to boost your posts. You should definitely ask them to sign up for your list.

Is this your site?

I heard they shut down, it was supposed to be some mobile thing.

Yea, now it's been very long...

Thanks for the update, glad to hear you got your refund.

The way it is promoted is the same as those, over the top claims. I think you are probably correct Thomas.

Hi and welcome Have you used safelists before? I ask because although this site is not a typical safelist, that is the main way you will use it for advertising. You will receive mails that are sent out from other members and for reading those mails you will earn credits. You can also earn credits for contributing by posting in the forum like you have already done.. then you can use credits to send your own email ad to other members. You can find that under the mail menu, for each credit you spend it will reach one other member.

I'm not familiar with that site? I have no idea who owns it.

Awesome, John! Keep it up!

Yes, that is huge!

Thanks for sharing.

Thanks John!

So, Amazon announced Amazon Payments today, a new competitor to PayPal. (https://payments.amazon.com) This is huge news, so my questions for you... Will you use this as a customer, or would you still always prefer PayPal? If you own a site, do you plan to integrate this anytime soon as a payment option?

Adfly is definitely annoying, it is probably one of the largest problems when it comes to framebreakers.

Yea, I noticed that today, suspended means it is something with his host - so as soon/if he gets that sorted it will be back.

Great point Jerry. I'm not a fan of solos personally - which is why I don't sell them at my sites - I mean if you want to reach the whole membership just have enough credits or upgrade.. BUT if you are to sell solos I feel the credits people earn for reading them should be the same as regular credit mails (unless you send like only one or two solos per day, then it's probably ok) so users won't feel a need to completely ignore regular credit mails. For example, I've seen sites where I received dozens of solo ads per day and they offered 10 times the credits as the regular credit mails - so in that case why would I ever read the regular credit mails when I can just read all the solos and earn way more credits?

I'd have to agree that standard emails are pretty useless now. I think some sites have them or keep them because either they've had them forever already, or it just comes with the script so it is a feature they've kept. Telling such owners that you only want credit mails may get them to change up how they are running their site.

Thanks for the update. Jerry is a very good owner

It seems to be the same owner as Twice Confirmed Traffic, which means it is a scam. I've heard many people say it does not work.

Great, thanks for sharing.

What bad conditions are you referring to?

I see no problem with letting members turn mails off (not receive) if they choose, otherwise you are sending to members who never open or read the mail anyway, they just let it go to their mailbox and then delete all without opening them. In the case of spending credits, that would be a total waste of credits to send to people who will not read the message anyway. The problem with herculist is they have never cleaned up their list, so you are sending to tens of thousands of users who have probably not opened any mail for years, this makes it look good before you mail to it, and then you realize it once you receive few clicks from that amount of members. The other problem is their lack of cheat protection.. I suspect their site is abused heavily by cheaters, and obviously bots have no intention of joining what you are promoting and only hurt your results further. With these combined factors, the value of actually clicking for mails there is very low.. so they likely have trouble keeping users active.

I can speak for my sites that you do NOT have to even receive mail if you don't want it, and you can still send mail. As long as you upgrade you can send mails without having to earn any credits. You are not required to read anything. Most other safelists do not require you to read either, but will make you receive mails somewhere, and a few make you read before you can send.

It only helps a little, but make sure to click "Leave this page" and not "stay on this page". The purpose of those exit prompts is to try to keep you on the page, and in that case they just keep hitting you with additional exit prompts.