Garrett Hutsko

Hi Garrett,

 

Owning a mailer has really opened my eyes to really how many do stay active in safelists.. I allow 30 days , if they are not active they are unsubscribed, not removed.. this helps save  my members their credits to mailing to inactive members.. and their banners and texts are also on hold this in turn gives the active members way more views.. which again is very fair.. and it is very easy to resubscribe... very good thing to have in place in my opinion.. I have a script  installed that takes care of this for me every day.. 

 

since I have been a  very active member in  many mailers I see what is going on and wanted my mailer to be a little different and hopefully more responsive..time will tell the story..

 

yes I have a 60 day active too I feel that if members haven't logged in or done anything in 60 days they really don't want to be a member..  this may be adjusted as time goes on.. it is stated on my faq page and also in my welcome letter.. I try to do my best  to keep my mailer   as active as I can.. 

 

I would hope most wouldn't want to be using their credits to mail to inactive members.. it is such a waste of time.. 

 

I can mail out to the members a warning message, but have found only a small percentage see the email as it gets lost in the list emails.. 

 

I don't know all the rights but I do feel what I am doing is working well.. I am still learning and making adjustments to my mailer over time.. 

 

I have found there to are many just coming in to click for cash, once they see I don't have it they are gone.. those people are being removed which is good for all active members.. that are using the site for mailing their ads..

 

I recently increased the mailing to free members which is quite beneficial to them, from mailing to 500 to now 700.. this way maybe they will see the value to mailing to more members, and possibly upgrade... we have surpassed 700 and hope to grow even more in the days to come ..

 

there is a lot that can be improved in a mailer that is for sure.. I am doing the best I can for the longevity of the mailer.. If members don't see promotion by the owner, ctr is bad, or no results they quickly leave.. or give up.. I am working everyday to not let this happen at my mailer.. 

 

Owners have different views which is fine ... one thing about it everything within the mailer can be adjusted.. and changed.. running a mailer is not as easy as one might think.. their is a lot of variables to how they work .. I am still learning!

 

I think you have a good set to work with. Myself I try to read as many emails as I can and from time to time I do go to the next step and maybe even to the next step after that, I think that as a SL user I have a responsibility to read as many emails as I can.

 As a owner now of a viral mailer ,  I now know  and understand both sides of marketing on safelists. As in being a member and being a owner..  I now  understand the viral mailing system and there is a lot that can be improved.

 

I believe and sincerely wish all owners would clean their list.. If you say you have 2500 members and only 1-5 are opening something needs done.. It seems like some owners not all are really active at first once them launch then a month or 2 down the road their is no more promotion, meaning no more new members.. then the mailer just slowly dies off..

 

A good percentage I have found just don't choose to be active.. and this is everywhere .. If the owners would get the inactives out of their mailers the ctr would be much better..

 

is it that the total subscribed members is what impresses people ,well it doesn't impress me as it usually isn't so.. Numbers are so deceiving when a good percentage isn't even using the mailer regularly..

 

My mailer member count will never be as high as others, my mailer list is cleaned daily for  inactives..  I know how hard and how much time it takes to earn credits.. cause I do it everyday still as a owner.. Members deserve a active list.. Not to be sending to members inboxes  that haven't logged in for some time, or never logged in..

 

 

thanks for listening,

Diane

My one concern in this is that you might remove someone who could upgrade and or seek to make their membership more viable and as a result change their activity. I try to spend time reading my inbox material but it is not easy and I think that deciding to remove someone without sending some kind of message first could be a mistake. My feeling is that one or two weeks is to short a time to use to decide to remove someone from a list. In my processes I try to visit each site I am a member of at least once every 3 to 4 weeks and I do try to read my incoming promos daily, my hope is that this is enough to keep me alive in the SLs I belong to.

I get warning emails from some SLs that cause me to visit the site sooner but for the most part I hope this is enough to keep me alive in these sites.

I am among those who upgrade after I use the site for awhile and feel it is worth my money. I think that this is a good approach to my use of SLs.

I understand that it is frustrating I took my words off the block words list for now..I once was block for the word (important) ,  so it could be possible that owners don't realize if for example they block a phrase that each word will be on the block list.. With this new script in viral mailers it actually tells you the word.. so that helps.. 

 

always good to contact support so they see what your are seeing otherwise they may never realize their is a issue.. and maybe didn't know too..

I appreciate your reply. I think in an effort to stop spam the cure is worse than the problem. I think in this area it might be better to confront directly instead of by software.

I just ran into a blocked word problem at TWE-Safelist that was not only frustrating but cost me the better part of an hour. I finally gave up, I tried multiple messages and subjects and could find none that would work. If these block words processes are necessary I would like to see them be more specific but the process is very vague and I have to guess what the problem is. I hate losing this kind of time as it costs me more than it is worth. I wish I could get the sites using this stuff to turn it off or to give better guidelines.

Garrett, I see Nick is adding a few new ones to slgenie.... so maybe I will try and see if he wants to add mine..   Definitely helps to get new members to the mailers.. I emailed him see what happens... 

Wish you luck in this. He told me that he has talked to programmers about problems they create which make working with SL Genie difficult. He has tried to communicate with them and they seem to ignore him. I think he knows what he is trying to communicate but he comes across such that they ignore him.

there are a few. The key to SL Genie is not so much the mailing as the ability to read and control use of SLs. SLs are more than mailers, there are banners, text ads and other things Mailer Ninja and Refferal Frenzy don't work with. Also SL Genie has Reader function which allows me to read promo messages more effecientially and collect credits. SL Genie also has a list build function with a commission of from 50% to 75%.

The admin of SL genie has removed more SLs from SL Genie. Personally I think this is wrong but I don't run the site. I am finding Mailer Ninja and Referral Frenzy to be great and it looks like they are a good replacement to SL Genie. I think the Admin is very short sited, I think he should focus on building SL Genie instead of Cutting it back, these others will replace SL Genie and SL Genie will die the way he is handling it.
 

Hi Garrett, I did a long time ago.. He said he wasn't adding anymore new ones.. I said your loss.. I have talked with the owner of this program a few times.. he is not very connected anymore as he has other things going on.. but sometimes it is easier to talk to the guy who developed the program..

I agree, I have spent some time with him trying to fix a problem and have found him to be strong in his opinions.

I see SL Genie as a tool that allows me to visit SLs quickly and do what I need to do easily, but I don;t think he sees SL Genie that way. HE looks at SLs and thinks that he needs to monitor the CTR rates and if they don't perform he removes them from SL Genie, I think if he is not carefull he will remove all the SLs that are currently there and make SL Genie a tool that no one will want. That is a shame sine I think SL Genie can be a powerful tool worth having.

I am setting these up now abd will soon see if they work for me.

I think he is wrong in removing all these SLs. I think that if SL Genie is approached correctly SLs will get more traffic, I use it as a soucr of joining SLs and building my business but if he keeps removing SLs from the primary area the SLs will loose. I don't think as the admin of SL genie he should be making these kind of decisions. He has removed a a lot of good SLs along with the SLs he considers bad and it seems he is making his decisions poorly. When he removes a SL he affects how I use it and slows my processes down. I ahave found that if a SL is in SL Genie I can iterative with it more efficiently and as such build my business,

By the way have you visited the question of making your Mountain High Mailer a SL in SL Genie.

Garrett, I do agree, I use slgenie and it is a great tool, you do have the option of using the custom feature where you can add any mailer you choose.. This is what I have done.. and I have way more custom mailers than what is actually within slgenie list of mailers they have stored within the system.

 

hope that helps.. if you need any help setting up custom mailers let me know

 

Diane

I have tried to use that area of SL Genie and have had little success. Are you able to read in emails in the SL you have set up. To me that would be the best use of this area but I have not been able to do that. I will look into that closer beause SL Genie is a great tool but being able to use it with other SL than the ones in the list is something I would like to do. I plan to try that area again and will let you knkow what I find there. Thanks

I am a member of Worldprofit and in the Friday Bootcamp training George has discussed this at great length and has put out a post that I blogged which I think has a lot to say about this. You can check it out on my blog at:  How To Safeguard Your Online Business Against Fake Signups Using An Easy Peezy Solution That’s FREE.. If you want to read this post past this link ( http://blog.grandslambiz.com/blog/2016/01/25/how-to-safeguard-your-online-business-against-fake-signups-using-an-easy-peezy-solution-thats-free/ ) into your browser and check it out.

I just did a check and it seems that ms word has the ability to read a PDF file. If it can read a PDF file you should abe able to save a copy of it in any supported MS Word format, this also means that one it has been saved in a different format you should be able to edit it as much as you need. Microsoft has been working hard to work with various formats so maybe this is the answer you need.

I use Safelists all the time and use tools which make my interaction with them faster and more efficient.

One tool I use is SL Genie which allows me to read emails, collect credits, and send my promo materials.

The admin at SL Genie has started removing Safelists from his tool based on his perception that a Safelist is under performing. I personally do not agree with his criteria for removal, in some cases it seems to be arbitrary. I can understand if the safelist doesn't work  in SL Genie but in some cases he seems to have just decided that a safelist in no good. My feeling is that a tool of this nature should have any and all safelists it can and that if a safelist is bead that decision should be made by me the user not by him as the admin. I think I should be the one to decide a safelist is no good. I feel that SL Genie should be in the business of helping to build up safelists and help me build my business and any opinion of a safelist being food or bad is not for SL Genie to make

I found a clipboard Control program which allows me to store formatted promo copy for use later. With this program I store many clips which I can retrieve without having to recopy over and over again. I have stored many HTML promos the way I want them for reuse. As a result I don't have to worry about the HTML working or not in some of these sites I just paste the formatted result into the promo I am sending. This works well for me and gives me the best of results most of the time. The program I use is called SpartanClips just google it to find it for purchase, the price is reasonable for what it does.

I aam in a program through my Legal Shield program which is pretty good. The best protection is to watch your account closely and have one of these programs. It is to bad we need these kinds of programs yet in our world today nothing is safe

Does anybody know what it is with the site: http://www.worldprofitassociates.com/, because I signed up, and I have not received any confirmation email?

Is a scam, a trick, or they collect emails to sell further?

Often their emails are moved to Spam buckets by the mail readers. You should be using a gmail account and set up filters for anything you are expecting to receive. i take all my spam stuff and put it back into the inbox then I delete what I don't want, I don't trust what they mark as spam and often find stuff that would have otherwise been trashed.

Maybe a partial answer would be to do a cut and past from the PDF in Word and correct during that process then save it back into a new PDF document.

I used to go to a website call TUOWS where you could get all kinds of Shareware and/or Freeware, you might find what you need there.

Another possible answer would be to get the upgraded ADOBE program which then would allow you to edit PDF stuff directly, the problem here being that the upgraded ADOBE is not cheap.

The C got dropped when I typed this in it should read TUCows. I have been there often and found tools that have solved problems like this so check it out at tucows.com. I just did a quick check and it is still a working site, however you will want to go to The main page does not have a link I could find to take me to the downloads. There you will find a few tools that might do what you need for free.

Maybe a partial answer would be to do a cut and past from the PDF in Word and correct during that process then save it back into a new PDF document.

I used to go to a website call TUOWS where you could get all kinds of Shareware and/or Freeware, you might find what you need there.

Another possible answer would be to get the upgraded ADOBE program which then would allow you to edit PDF stuff directly, the problem here being that the upgraded ADOBE is not cheap.

I received emails from some Safelists which are getting ready to close soon. The problem being according to the emails no one is joining/upgrading in them, Apparently interest isn't there for these sites. I personally am not happy with this decision but I do understand. It seems that some of the Safelists out there just don't have that special something that  is needed to keep them going strong. There are sites that have a large membership and sites that are struggling. There are new startup Safelists which seem to be interested in making a quick return on investment then they shut down taking the quick cash, I just wish these could be ID'ed upfront. I wish it was easy to ID the Safelists which will hang in there for a long time. I think the ones that have a large membership have discovered whatever is needed to be great the others just linger long enough to take the money and run.

The interesting thing here is that I got a phone call from someone who thought that they ccould boost my SEO standings just by spending money with them. They worked hard and tried to convince me that I needed their help in an area where I have been for some time now. I spend money on the net for various things and have my accounts in various places where my SEO standings are good, they could not understand that and tried to convince me that I would fail with out them. As I learn more about SEO I am learning that my efforts in the generic and simple ways are doing more than spending money with someone like this.

I have used IBO when I post to my blogs/ What I use is their PR (press release) where I re-post my blog posts. I see it as a place where I can get exposure of my materials. I don't worry about a sale at this location I just want to get my stuff out where it is seen and as such when someone wants what I have then I will be there for them.

Are the postcards promoting this program, or do you market your own business? Do you have to pay for the postage?

The answer is yes to all the above. You are promoting yourself as a business which an turn a note into quick cash. The postcards and the postage cost. Not cheap but can lead to good  money if you can do the work and time.

I participated in a Notes program many years ago and I found it to be to much effort when you got almost no return and the return usually was a bad address notice. The program was for me to get people who had notes to talk to me such that i would turn those notes into income for the current owner, myself and the person wishing to but the note. In concept the program makes sense but getting people to work with you was the challenge.

The program used postcards as a key element of the business but for the most part postcards go to the trash fast, most of the time with maybe a quick glance and as a result no response.

The query about VTG is interesting. I Belong to VTG it it is "Viral Traffic Games". With a membership in this site you are given opportunities while surfing and or reading emails to progress through a game board and collect credits and other prizes. It adds an extra dimension to these that isn't there in normal SL's adm/or TE's.

SEO is nice but there is a better way by using Safelists and Traffic Exchanges which for the most part are free. When you use these you get seen by those on the net without having to pay for the SEO process. People see your site, landing pages, and promotions and respond to them, as they do the SEO process takes place and you start to rise in the Search engines towards page one. This is a natural way to get promoted with spend large amounts of money. SEO is nice but why spend the money if there is a better way to do it.