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[paulserban]

If the moderators of this forum allow us to say what we like and what we don't like about these sites, I'd like to say more things about some safelistmailers.

Possibly, the discussion may be useful for all of us, the users and the moderators of the safelistmailers.

[Darren Olander]

If the moderators of this forum allow us to say what we like and what we don't like about these sites, I'd like to say more things about some safelistmailers.

Possibly, the discussion may be useful for all of us, the users and the moderators of the safelistmailers.

 

Of course! This forum is about voicing opinions

 

One thing I don't like? Sites that force upgraded members to read mail each day before they are allowed to send their ad.

[paulserban]

Only one thing!

 

Can we use real names of the sites? I do not want to be interpreted as unfair competition.

[Darren Olander]

Only one thing!

 

Can we use real names of the sites? I do not want to be interpreted as unfair competition.

 

Yes.

[paulserban]

A fact that I hate it very much is to validate each email (I'm considering sites that Nerdmailer, Mailourlist, Soaringmailer, Viralsafelistmailer, Globalsafelist, Theleadefect, etc. )

I have written to a few sites, and the answer was that they're doing this to thank the members that send emails. I don't understand how it can be their customers more satisfied if I give clicks on icons like a monkey in the laboratory.

In fact timer is set to 5 to 10 seconds. Wouldn't be more satisfied their customers if the timer would be at 15-20 seconds and not those icons?

[Darren Olander]

Well some type of anti-cheat protection is important I believe, otherwise you can have a site full of bots that just earn credits on their own. However, you do make a point... how often should that verification be needed? Maybe every email is unnecessary. 

[Jerry Iannucci]

I've stopped using all of the ones that force you to view ads before you can send.  I almost forgot sites were still doing that.

 

My pet peeve is still making me wait exactly 24 hours before I can send again.  Makes it almost impossible to submit at the same time every day.

[paulserban]

Never you can post after exactly 24 hours, it will always appears delays.

 

I use my Google calendar reminder, that tell me in my inbox and through pop-up on the screen

[paulserban]

Ha! Ha! Ha! Listavail introduced icons for validation of every message!

 

I don't know what to do: to cancel my subscription or to buy Safelist Pirate?

[Kenny Kolijn]

Paul, those icons are there for reason, to prevent cheating. But cheaters always look for new ways too...
Those icons also make people look at the page even if it's just a fraction of a second.

Using Software and bots just isn't a wise choice. It's against the rules and it will get you banned.
The whole idea is that people visit each other's site in return for credits.

I'm getting great results with List Avail with my lifetime upgrade. And even if I have enough credits, I still read some mails regularly to support the site and to boost the activity. After all, I want to get the most out of my upgrade, and being active will give other members more clicks and over time also bring new members on board

 

If you use Google Calendar, you can of course edit the entry in your calender right after you have sent an email at a particular mailer so that future events in your calendar are updated to that time too. It doesn't take much time at all. And there are other tools too, that show you when you can send again at your favorite mailers.

 

 

[paulserban]

A fact that I hate it very much is to validate each email (I'm considering sites that Nerdmailer, Mailourlist, Soaringmailer, Viralsafelistmailer, Globalsafelist, Theleadefect, etc. )

I have written to a few sites, and the answer was that they're doing this to thank the members that send emails. I don't understand how it can be their customers more satisfied if I give clicks on icons like a monkey in the laboratory.

In fact timer is set to 5 to 10 seconds. Wouldn't be more satisfied their customers if the timer would be at 15-20 seconds and not those icons?

What's New!We have started to human condition, now we associate words with pictures in Viralsafemailer and Majestic12. I don't even know if owners of the sites are sadic or I am radically histrionic appetite staying subscribed in there?

[paulserban]

I am according with Kenny, I surf manually and I know isn't so easy.

But ... my time is to short and I don't want to waste my time clicking icons to Listavail for only 5 credits (I've never string to get required credits for sending minimum of emails)

[paulserban]

Paul, those icons are there for reason, to prevent cheating. But cheaters always look for new ways too...
Those icons also make people look at the page even if it's just a fraction of a second.

I am surfing now and want to say that with my eyes on icons and numbers I don't see any page!!!

[gnana]

Nobody likes to click on icons to earn credits.  But Unfortunately that is one of the ways to prevent cheaters from abusing the site. 

 

 

My pet peeve is still making me wait exactly 24 hours before I can send again.  Makes it almost impossible to submit at the same time every day.

 

Waiting exactly 24 hour delays to an extent of mailing every other day.  May be we should install an add-on that automatically resets the mailer when the server resets?

[paulserban]

Does anybody know what it is with the site: http://www.worldprofitassociates.com/, because I signed up, and I have not received any confirmation email?

Is a scam, a trick, or they collect emails to sell further?

[paulserban]

I laughed a lot: Safelistking provides 0.5 points for surfing with clicking icons!!!

 

What about the number o members? I have sensation that there are a lot of cheaters in these safelists.

How is it possible to receive traffic 10 times more from a list that has ten times less members than another?

[Darren Olander]

 

How is it possible to receive traffic 10 times more from a list that has ten times less members than another?

 

Many list sizes are inflated. For example, if a site claims 100k list you can mail to, I would bet that 90% of that list is inactive and will never even look at the email. 

I can speak for myself that my sites are constantly scrubbed, so you ONLY send to a list that has a RECENT history of reading and clicking on mails. Anyone who is not reading we stop sending them mails, so 

as an advertiser you get the most value. Some other lists clean up their member sizes as well so you aren't sending to "dead"  prospects, but there are quite a few that will claim the higher numbers just to look good and as a result you

will receive a very low CTR because those people just aren't reading the email.

[paulserban]

I can speak for myself that my sites are constantly scrubbed, so you ONLY send to a list that has a RECENT history of reading and clicking on mails. Anyone who is not reading we stop sending them mails, so 

as an advertiser you get the most value.

I know your lists, I am a paid member to them and they are the best lists of mine.

Thank you!

[paulserban]

Sometime ago I discovered a member with over 50 accounts in Downlinebuilderdirect and another with more than 20 in Listbuildingmaximizer. I have written to the support and the replay was that cannot be detected these accounts. It's really true?

In any case I have deleted my accounts from these sites, as their only measure has been to introduce clicks on icons (there were 200-300 messages per day!)