Maryanne Myers -Webstars2K

What did your bank / credit card say? I am curious

They are sending them, do you have any type of filters setup in your settings? That could be putting them in another folder? You could always set a filter to always send them to your inbox too

Thanks for letting them know that. Its not a bank site with some sensitive info like that, nothing to really fear about that. They wouldnt let me issue the SSL certificate until the world updated the new IP for the domain. But you have to change the IP and wait for the world to do that, and the site is already online first before it can be issued. Its like a catch 22. I got it issued and the login and signup is fine now. (BTW For 2 days I had a notice in the members area that this was about to be moved, and as soon as I got the fresh server - moved it asap because it was using so much of the resources that it was timing out other sites such as 1goldmine, profitslion, webstars2k and several others. So very badly needed to get it a new home away from the other sites)

there is no difference, they are all safelists. Viral mailers arent "viral" in the true definition of that word. I still to this day dont know why its called that. Mailer and safelist terms have been the same thing for I guess 15+ years now... They are both used for the same thing - a safelist which was the orginial word. It doesnt matter if it asks for a contact email along with a safelist email - thats not new at all. Someone told me that a couple years ago, that it set it apart somehow. No, not new, and not correct.

That is why I said "Paid signups". If I need to I can explain why. It was so identical (all signups on the sites) that it was either paid, incentive or a bot. No need to mention that site. But Zito did accept payments and paid commissions too, for a long time as I know for a fact.

That's insane there is no withdrawal button. And yes complain, to the bank to the BBB website (there are already complaints there too). I can not believe people have paid 1K or 2K or even 500 dollars and get nothing. Well, I took the notice off of my sites - for now (of the ban and showing people this forum and the tube video). This got some serious heavy exposure though. If I need to, I will put them back up within minutes. Here is just one vid, there are complaints everywhere. Forums, video, BBB, scam sites, etc. youtube.com/watch?v=1iaJ4EFMq7c Just because someone says they are a consultant for multi million dollar clients, and does this to help others on the side, doesn't mean its true. He is not a guru or else this would not be happening. I wonder why some think he is? or under that impression. Guru's know to pay people to keep them happy, not just a handful of people to keep the handful happy and promoting for them. Otherwise, eventually it'll catch up to them and then it's game over. Guru's see far ahead of things. BTW - PJ zito - the one on the top #1 on the cash contests, accepted payments and commissions for his sites for years. ANd the other ellie something - is a bot or uses paid signups. I know for a fact because no one signs up so many accounts using the same amount of letters in the same type sequence as I see on my sites. They are on my sites.

I'm going to tell my daughter to hunt the guitar guy now (hahahahaha just kidding) But hardly child abuse, hahaha!! She is 22, has her own office back there.. on some self built expensive gamer computer system (she really did build the entire thing). She calls me a "hamster" and I get the livingroom to work in with all the cat running around chaos! I hear her come down the hall and say "Hey, hamster... can we order some Jimmy Johns?" alot.

Ahhh that might have came across as smart ass, it wasnt though. And what level are you on at tab? Dont tell me your the heart guy (haha we call him the heart guy, he has the red heart for a pic). Its actually my daughter doing 95% of the surfing on there. Yes, they are ..different... hehehe this one, topdogs was made to be super simple and hands free

I had dizzy spells this week because I was being pulled into so many directions, I'm not kidding (they went away after some rest). I cant just immediately join anything so fast. This launch is HUGE and I have alot of other sites to take care of. Commissions, you need to do the request at the site so I know you dont want to hold or trade them in. Those dont start until november though as this has ONLY been open 6 days. I dont start paying out until a new site is open at least 30 days or so (refunds, fraud, etc stuff)

Yay!!

I have a long personal track record, where have you been? Why do they need to sell it?

yay!! :-)

You have to know how to handle them. And know that ONCE is not the way to advertise. Mcdonalds doesnt use a method once either. It takes multiple times

Honestly, this is what I think happened. He had this "coaching" type program or profit share around 2012 or sometime around then? Which, the coaching, is info that is everywhere on the net if anyone looked. ...and I heard the people he coached never made a dime a promised, and never got a refund for it. So.... after awhile he went back to just having normal ad sites. That was briefly done (above) 2016 happened. Lost the first Paypal account, that means all subscriptions cancelled. This means the easy income was suddenly cut off. Could not hack it, didn't know what to do. Then came up with the charity thing. "Buy a lifetime membership, it goes to shirley who has cancer." Then another name. Then another name came. Then that stopped. Probably was too many charity things, I dont know. Then the coaching thing again, and the Profit Share thing too. This time he "consults million dollar clients" but this internet thing is to help people as a side hobby. Got away with that. Now recovering money again that would normally be thru those subscriptions. So it was duplicated repeatedly. 19 times. But now, its the same script but with partners, there are more coming apparently. I think it's because the others are wearing out so new people (their name) need to be on it - or its being resold or both. The "build your list not theirs" is not true. Every person signing up to the partner's site - graves emails daily from his own autoresponder. So everyone is building his list. That is why its hard to get off... its multiple lists. Plus, somehow, these sites have apparently gone insane getting 200 a members a day everyday after being month open!? (no... dont think so.) That is what I think happened.

You too?? I am very surprised by this too

...But that's the thing, he is not a guru. He is someone that sold advertising, like myself, but turned different several years ago. Had different stories, only paid a handful of people (to keep them promoting to others), not answering anyone, etc

I wouldn't know actually. (I havent used them for the past 2-3 years now)

You delete the account at the site, and then unsubscribe on the autoresponders too that you were added to (there is more than 1). it should work ?

Because they are true... so nothing to respond to? Oh wow, who else is putting the info up?

If I was him, I would not come because it would be hard to defend not paying someone out for over a year who invested 2 grand, or those who commissions were wiped out into the hundreds each. It is way more people than what is being posted here. This goes back years and actually, several years ago - I think it was 2013- another site owner told me that the 'coaching' program was alive then and that his friend lost thousands. And as for no answers, hard to defend when you go on vacation from canada to florida to your 2nd house many times a year. That is alot of free time. Yes, I was about to message you to tell you to come back and look at your thread post thinking that you havent for awhile since you started it. I have now heavily linked to this thread about a week or so ago and more are coming to tell their stories.

You call or login to your credit card account and dispute the charges. Since you have been writing to cancel with no response, they will refund usually 3 months of charges and prevent any future charges. No need to close your card account down. If its through paypal, I think it's up to 6 months of them. But I would just do it with your card. Anyone can stop a subscription that way if the person wont stop rebilling you

Its not hard, it just takes time to do and dedication. He's not programming and designing them (so there should be plenty of time to do the usual stuff which is only answering and paying people their owed)

Here is the more updated list - 36 websites: unlockyourlist quickstartcoach unlockyourwealthpotential yourviralbanners hotlistmailer (NOT hotspotmailer - I own the hotspotmailer one) legendsmailer yourvirallist toptiertraffic websbestmailer websbesttraffic splashpagetraffic webbizinsider SocialMessageConnect InstantProfitMailer WebsBestMailer 100PercentMailer splittestmailer TopTierMailer 100percenttraffic superchargedsoloads whatworks4me yoursuccessadvantage EmailMarketingMasters InstantProfitMailer 10XMailer secretlaunchteam websbestmarketing guaranteedadprofit autofreeleads ysa10 ysa1 ysa5 allactivemailer splashpagesurfer yourviraltraffic.com yourviralmailer.com

Pays a handful it seems, and certain people pay just the handful so that handful will keep promoting AND will come to their defense, most ponzi programs do this, its an old tactic. There are alot more saying the same as you are, they just aren't in this forum. So you arent alone and years of it on many people - is not an accident. What is sickening recently, that someone forwarded me an email and demanded their refund or a replacement from Graves because they spent a few hundred and it was just taken away. 5 weeks later still did not have it. So he said he was going to tell others online about it. Graves response said that telling anyone "does not hurt his success" and another time, he wrote he is so "successful" again. This arrogant attitude is because they believe they are talking to someone small, and it cant hurt them. But time does! Because more and more people are speaking up. You arent alone Paula! BTW "consulting multi million dollar clients but does the internet on the side" (as a hobby) is BS! and I know for a fact. I can recite three different histories that he has told on why/how he is this arena. I read them all for years.

Oh, BTC is perfect, I prefer to pay people with bitcoin actually. I just sent it to you. And it is, I'm surprised you still have pp really