Maryanne Myers -Webstars2K

How in the world can he call me a "hater"?
1) I didnt make these people tell their true stories of paying alot of money for promises of 1 and 1/2 profit. And not pay it, and write smug replies, if any reply is given.
2) my network has more members than his.
3) I have been online as an owner, years longer than him.
4) I most likely make more money than him, and so do my members and I actually pay them. Seemingly since I dont run fake charities, post promises of cash and say I do this as a hobby but my real job is consulting clients who make millions. (who does that unless they really need to snow people for cash?)
5) Every site I have is 100% custom from scratch. I make the graphics. I program and design on a textpad, from scratch. And it takes alot of work!
So that over used "hater" tactic - fails here.

How in the world can he call me a "hater"?
1) I didnt make these people tell their true stories of paying alot of money for promises of 1 and 1/2 profit. And not pay it, and write smug replies, if any reply is given.
2) my network has more members than his.
3) I have been online as an owner, years longer than him.
4) I most likely make more money than him, and so do my members and I actually pay them. Seemingly since I dont run fake charities, post promises of cash and say I do this as a hobby but my real job is consulting clients who make millions. (who does that unless they really need to snow people for cash?)
5) Every site I have is 100% custom from scratch. I make the graphics. I program and design on a textpad, from scratch. And it takes alot of work!
So that over used "hater" tactic - fails here.

How in the world can he call me a "hater"?
1) I didnt make these people tell their true stories of paying alot of money for promises of 1 and 1/2 profit. And not pay it, and write smug replies, if any reply is given.
2) my network has more members than his.
3) I have been online as an owner, years longer than him.
4) I most likely make more money than him, and so do my members and I actually pay them. Seemingly since I dont run fake charities, post promises of cash and say I do this as a hobby but my real job is consulting clients who make millions. (who does that unless they really need to snow people for cash?)
5) Every site I have is 100% custom from scratch. I make the graphics. I program and design on a textpad, from scratch. And it takes alot of work!
So that over used "hater" tactic - fails here.

There is no question he knows about it as he was calling you and Maryanne out for turning against him in his webinar and then says there is no need to defend himself from 'haters' (classic line of the conman where everyone who opposes his/her product is a hater) 

Wow. Just wow.  I'm a member of a lot of his sites and now I know why there is no way to add a commission payout option.  And no wonder he hasnt answered a simple technical question.  So before I invest in one of his upgrades.... I'll think I'll cancel my accounts first.  
 
I'm also a member of a lot of MaryAnn's  sites and there is no comparison to hers and Matts.  Matts are ALL the same with nothing exciting about them except for the autoresponder sync with Aweber, etc.  MaryAnn does a great job on not only creativity of the sites themselves, but making them each slightly different from each other in ways of using them.  
 
I'm also a member of quite a few of Darren's sites and Matt doesnt even begin to match-up to his.  Darren's sites are pure awesomeness.  (his Monthly free credit reward definitely helps - thanks Darren!)  
 
Glad i'm informed with this post.  
 
After reading through a lot of this post, my guess is that Matt will ultimately start responding but with a religious and righteous undertone.  Thats what most ponzi schemers tend to do. Just look'em up, you'll see.  

I just heard he is telling people that me and darren olander turned against him. And he is "more high profile" than us.
1) who cares about high profile
2) keep fooling yourself. I guess you trick others, and now your own self? that you're so high profile?
3) he started telling my members, privately, to not use my sites and those members then in turn told me.
 
I dont control that he doesnt pay commissions. Or fulfill his promises of profit.
 
...not paying to numerous people, even stellar marketers and give no return on investment. he uses that word "investment".

I saw a poll about this and it didnt look good, not sure where it was. And another post about this in this forum.
 
What is weird is that every list site is the same script on every site it looks like?
He should have left his orginial sites alone and not clone each one from 1 thing.
The orginial sites was what the internet marketing world used to consist of, well most of it, before cloning became some sort of fad or expectation.

That's insane there is no withdrawal button.
And yes complain, to the bank to the BBB website (there are already complaints there too).
I can not believe people have paid 1K or 2K or even 500 dollars and get nothing.
 
Well, I took the notice off of my sites - for now (of the ban and showing people this forum and the tube video). This got some serious heavy exposure though.
If I need to, I will put them back up within minutes.
 
Here is just one vid, there are complaints everywhere. Forums, video, BBB, scam sites, etc. youtube.com/watch?v=1iaJ4EFMq7c
Just because someone says they are a consultant for multi million dollar clients, and does this to help others on the side, doesn't mean its true.
 
He is not a guru or else this would not be happening. I wonder why some think he is? or under that impression.
Guru's know to pay people to keep them happy, not just a handful of people to keep the handful happy and promoting for them. Otherwise, eventually it'll catch up to them and then it's game over. Guru's see far ahead of things.
 
BTW - PJ zito - the one on the top #1 on the cash contests, accepted payments and commissions for his sites for years. ANd the other ellie something - is a bot or uses paid signups. I know for a fact because no one signs up so many accounts using the same amount of letters in the same type sequence  as I see on my sites. They are on my sites.

Ahhh that might have came across as smart ass, it wasnt though. And what level are you on at tab? Dont tell me your the heart guy (haha we call him the heart guy, he has the red heart for a pic). Its actually my daughter doing 95% of the surfing on there.
Yes, they are ..different... hehehe this one, topdogs was made to be super simple and hands free

If I was him, I would not come because it would be hard to defend not paying someone out for over a year who invested 2 grand, or those who commissions were wiped out into the hundreds each. It is way more people than what is being posted here. This goes back years and actually, several years ago - I think it was 2013- another site owner told me that the 'coaching' program was alive then and that his friend lost thousands.
And as for no answers, hard to defend when you go on vacation from canada to florida to your 2nd house many times a year. That is alot of free time.
 
Yes, I was about to message you to tell you to come back and look at your thread post thinking that you havent for awhile since you started it. I have now heavily linked to this thread about a week or so ago and more are coming to tell their stories.

Has anyone see this video and all the other people commenting about the same thing happening to everyone else here?
 
 
I recognize some of them too! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1iaJ4EFMq7c

Oh thats bad, you should have been at least paid out before being booted !? Especially that much. LOL I would have paid you first, then booted you just to get it done and over with. Otherwise, it looks like an exuse to do theft.
 
But I guess he is saying false things about ProfitsLion now.
But I can't help it if people don't want to signup to his programs, I dont control that!? I am not God. I cant provide everything, but the opportunity to advertise them.
 
I know for a fact they are signing up to other programs on Profitslion  though, so I guess that just makes him look bad if he wants to -basically- keep telling people no one wants to signup to his 18th copy of a site.

If someone isnt paying commissions for MONTHS but the site is still up then you arent going to get paid. I dont know who he is, but seems like another on the list. I have been hearing about this person, mathew graves and john bell for months to the past couple years - and even longer now. Many, many owners are not paying anymore it seems like.
 
It pisses me off even more today than it did 6 months ago, a year ago, 2 years ago... because me and a load of other owners pay their dues to people, despite paypal and whatever problems. Plus answer support tickets.
 
And I see so many promoting and buying from them still... still.
They dont deserve it as they dont do the work to deserve the time & money affiliates put into what they do! (aka members)

If someone isnt paying commissions for MONTHS but the site is still up then you arent going to get paid. I dont know who he is, but seems like another on the list. I have been hearing about this person, mathew graves and john bell for months to the past couple years - and even longer now. Many, many owners are not paying anymore it seems like.
 
It pisses me off even more today than it did 6 months ago, a year ago, 2 years ago... because me and a load of other owners pay their dues to people, despite paypal and whatever problems. Plus answer support tickets.
 
And I see so many promoting and buying from them still... still.
They dont deserve it as they dont do the work to deserve the time & money affiliates put into what they do! (aka members)

If someone isnt paying commissions for MONTHS but the site is still up then you arent going to get paid. I dont know who he is, but seems like another on the list. I have been hearing about this person, mathew graves and john bell for months to the past couple years - and even longer now. Many, many owners are not paying anymore it seems like.
 
It pisses me off even more today than it did 6 months ago, a year ago, 2 years ago... because me and a load of other owners pay their dues to people, despite paypal and whatever problems. Plus answer support tickets.
 
And I see so many promoting and buying from them still... still.
They dont deserve it as they dont do the work to deserve the time & money affiliates put into what they do! (aka members)

If someone isnt paying commissions for MONTHS but the site is still up then you arent going to get paid. I dont know who he is, but seems like another on the list. I have been hearing about this person, mathew graves and john bell for months to the past couple years - and even longer now. Many, many owners are not paying anymore it seems like.
 
It pisses me off even more today than it did 6 months ago, a year ago, 2 years ago... because me and a load of other owners pay their dues to people, despite paypal and whatever problems. Plus answer support tickets.
 
And I see so many promoting and buying from them still... still.
They dont deserve it as they dont do the work to deserve the time & money affiliates put into what they do! (aka members)

traffic exchanges has nothing to do with it
 

So... basically those who don't get their commissions should just shut up (so the next guy doesn't get his either and it keeps going on)?
But this particulair post is a cut of the profits on sites, buying into a share of them, and not getting those.
I've been hearing about both (commissions and the profit share parts)

Frankly, as an online marketer, I can post ads in peace instead of worrying if PayPal was going to limit my account.
 
I say good riddance to PayPal as an upline marketer...
 
Now that a lot of people has had their account limited they have to offer alternate payments methods that others can use to promote their programs, products and services...

I'm not trying to argue with you at all.  Just because someone calls themselves the "top" doesn't make it true.
 
But the top owners and marketers aren't. It's the "second level" marketers and owners and it looks to be about 20 or less.
 
Actually, all I have seen is a group of people making new sites just for it trying to get it popular. I have no idea why.
 
ORU was using paypal itself for subscriptions to its debit card. They lost paypal because, they cant do that.

I passed on joining ORU, particularly after reading and researching the ORU Visa card and the associated payment processor.
 
I don't see the value in paying a monthly fee to ORU and then getting a high-fee credit card, especially when the monthly fee is used to pay the MLM upline/downline. IMO, the high-fee credit card is setup to nickle-and-dime card holders with a variety of fees just for using the card. As I recall, there was even a $15 fee to cancel the card. (I looked at the fee schedule several months ago. So the fee schedule could have changed.)
 
The other annoying aspect of ORU was its statement that they are not an MLM business. Yet they operate as an MLM since members earn incentives for recruiting new members.

Well, admittedly, I'm not a veteran owner, our oldest site is 2 years online. But we do have a lot of veteran marketers, and as yet, not a single one has requested that we add ORU.

Who?
The fact is, veteran owners wont add a 10 level MLM debit visa card, especially when there are numerous debit visa cards out there.
 
The veteran owners such as myself, herculist, easyhits4u, trafficg, donkeymails and alot more veteran owners are not using that.
 
But I have seen though the newer sites (years 2010 and up), and about 20 sites using them. Mostly new sites just created in that past year or the last few months it seems.
 
Anyway, I use 9 methods and wont be adding anymore for a long time... especially since Bitcoin, Uphold and Google Pay are the top requested. In fact I just paid out another 2K (mostly bitcoin) today!

lots of repeat traffic leading to signups and sales
[sIGNUP HERE!]

As I have mentioned, It’s the number #1 that use at the beginning and throughout the day until I end my day. 
As you know, I have been a member since 2009 and will remain a member and post my ads daily and throughout the day without fail.
 
To me, it’s my favorite of all the sites that you have.