Matthew Graves.

[Phil Banks]

It just sat there in my commissions page.

 

I took some captures to prove it before he took all those pages down.

 

Here's an example of one of them

 

http://proactivemailer.com/images/YVLCommissions.JPG

[LJaneR]

I believe he started out with good intentions, but then everything after that has been a steady decline. ie not paying commissions on solos, not answering tickets, launching ad sites with lifetime OTO fees only to relaunch the exact same site again with a refresh (and charge again etc)

 

I think he is just being overwhelmed with his entire empire of ad sites, needs money to keep coming in, but can't maintain his day to day tasks.

 

Not just anyone can effectively run a network of ad sites. Matthew is trying, albeit falling short on a lot of fronts.  I am thankful however, whenever people attempt to launch some sort of advertising platform that myself can benefit from, because I am an advertiser and I believe that more advertising is better than less.

[Maryanne Myers -Webstars2K]

Then they shouldnt open more sites. Make the current ones sell first.

 

I have 17 sites with a bigger membership than what he has (it was more but I merged some into my 2 Pangea's which are very successful since doing that) but the sites are each programmed by me, from scratch in a text pad of all things. Pay my people out, answer my own support tickets, do my own graphics, and do my own dedicated  servers. And that isnt the entire list of what I do. No support people, no hired programmers,not even graphic design, no replicated scripts (copies). But I still pay people, which is also 5 figures in commissions a year too. It is not OK to excuse people when I kick my @ss every single day (no vacation for the past several years either) and a few others do the same level also. But those exuses would not survive if this was the restaurant world. The restaurants would go under.

 

BTW, I'm not here to bash people. I am just very blunt about things on how it is. And I do wonder what's up with putting out 20 sites with the same script and not paying people. He is one of the older owners on here, not the oldest but near it and this is unusual, the past couple years. I actually miss the orginal sites he had.

[Clare Bowen]

Well, Phil's reply from Matthew, might have put this into better perspective, at least for me. Because I've listened to one of his coaching videos, where he goes into depth about how he treats his five star prospects for long-term benefits, focusing all his attention on them etc. I guess, if you're not in this category for some or other reason, you're no longer important to him.

 

I think it has to be pointed out, that the man considers himself to be a legendary list builder. In my opinion, he launches and relaunches so many sites because they're a trawling net for prospects. One of the best "lead magnets" known in marketing is "free traffic". And sure he sells upgrades, of course, but the long-term benefits he's looking for are more related to his own personal list. I think it's more a case of come up with a new innovative idea around a mailer, enough to generate excitement and pull in subscribers (same script, just a clone and a new idea). I don't think he was always like this, I think he's been "sharpening" his skills and tweaking his business in a way that he's managed to justify to himself and is trying justify to those who will listen to him.

[John Lederer]

Well said Maryanne Meyers!

You are a true friend in this business!

[Phil Banks]

The sad thing is, I actually started emailing one of his "partners" regarding my commissions explaining that, as a partner, he was now liable for my unpaid commissions.

 

He was really upset about the situation and stated that he had had similar emails from other unhappy members about not being paid, and was in the process of trying to get a refund on his investment, with no success.

 

I really wish I'd kept the email for proof. but, alas I didn't.

 

In my early days, I genuinely used to look up to Matthew as someone I wanted to aspire to be, whereas now, I aim to be the exact opposite and genuinely care about my members.

 

In a roundabout way, he taught me well.

[Maryanne Myers -Webstars2K]

Well, I believe you, I know who you are (philba) no need for copies of emails. There is another thread about that here anyway. The partner program... he needs to be careful as that is an investment. Like stock investment, buying a part into the profits from then on.

 

To run things and survive, not only care about members - care about everything. Quality of things, gettings ducks in a row, immediately kill obstacles too.

[Maryanne Myers -Webstars2K]

Well said Maryanne Meyers!

You are a true friend in this business!

 

 

I Try :-) really hard :-)

[Todd Johnson]

Boy i wished i would have seen this thread long time ago. Yes he owes me commissions and did not add solos to my soload account for 3 months in row and had to call card company cancel the card and have them send new one with new number to get his subscription from running and stealing my money.

 

I am a site owner for several mailers/safelists and it is my responsibility to protect my members so this is what you see when you log into my sites from now on.

 

Do not Post Matthew Graves sites here they will not be approved as he does not pay hard earned commissions. I can attest to this myself and refuse to put any site on here that i know does not pay commissions to protect my members.

 https://www.marketingcheckpoint.com/topic/2924-does-matthew-graves-owe-you-money/

 

I encourage other owners to not let his site be posted on your sites either. Do not let a scammer keep scamming.

 

BTW i did save all the emails i sent him and i am not shy.

[Ian Bartley]

Wow! I think he owes everyone. I paid for the supercharged mailer and never got access to it. Could not get any response from him until I started blasting him on Facebook with lots of hashtags.

[DigeeBiz]

There is a thing called risk in which everybody knows when the money is put on the table. Learn by your mistakes and move on.

Fortunately, I'm not that passive. Hopefully others aren't either. What you suggest is not a solution... it's capitulation!

[Clare Bowen]

There's truth and wisdom in Zanezim's comment too. When something like this happens, you learn to identify the signs, and while I'm all for spreading the news of a con artist, I'm also keen to move on, wiser for my experience. To my mind, there's no grey area. If someone doesn't pay commissions, and/or doesn't respond to support requests within a reasonable time frame. Avoid like the plague, cancel payments to them, stop promoting them etc. It's not worth waiting around and wondering if its going to happen, or if the owner is going to reform. Unfortunately, there's very little hope that they will.

[Maryanne Myers -Webstars2K]

There is someone sending an ad on his own safelists pointing to links about this, going back to 2013 to current, to forum threads, including this one. I mean they are sending this on his own safelist... It's sad really. I saw this email yesterday

[Clare Bowen]

A new set of relaunches is about to begin

[Phil Banks]

FFS !

[Maryanne Myers -Webstars2K]

A new set of relaunches is about to begin

 

Did they begin, I mean a set?

[Clare Bowen]

Did they begin, I mean a set?

 

Not that I've noticed. He called it the launch of the 2.0 version of the Your Viral Network, starting with one site and spreading to the others. I haven't been following updates or changes in those sites though, pretty much lost interest.

[weblord]

all of matthew grave's viral safelists have responsive members, i got sign ups from them but i never upgraded one site that offers banner rotators was degraded and the central attraction of it which is to rotate banners functionality have been removed. i still kept my premium membership due to referrals made. i got my upgrade free.

[Terry Guile]

He spent it all on his nice house and new

projects.

 

Turn out the lights the party's over.

[weblord]

he has posted and promoted several times in facebook page, i commented but but i never received anything or heard from him again.

[Len Koski]

Yes it's pretty annoying as I subscribed via credit card to his super solos. I have put in a couple support requests to cancel without success and no reply to my emails.  Getting half the 1,000 guaranteed hits. Having to cancel my card just to stop the subscription is pretty annoying. 

 

I'm also having some concerns getting paid commissions from another well known admin but I'll hold off mentioning his name and sites for awhile. Most admins are great but some just don't treat their members fairly. 

[ulikotek]

Yes it's pretty annoying as I subscribed via credit card to his super solos. I have put in a couple support requests to cancel without success and no reply to my emails.  Getting half the 1,000 guaranteed hits. Having to cancel my card just to stop the subscription is pretty annoying. 

 

I'm also having some concerns getting paid commissions from another well known admin but I'll hold off mentioning his name and sites for awhile. Most admins are great but some just don't treat their members fairly. 

I also had to cancel my Bank card,also informed my Bank about the situation with this guy and within less then a month I got my money back.

[weblord]

good for you, congrats!

I also had to cancel my Bank card,also informed my Bank about the situation with this guy and within less then a month I got my money back.

[captkirk]

Hi Margot,

 

Since you started this thread and the response that it has received, I notice some owners have it posted on their sites that MATTHEW GRAVES sites are NOT allowed.

 

For me, I’m staying clear of his sites and not promoting his sites that I am a member.

[weblord]

im also a member of his sites but never promoted it though im still promoting inside them since they are very responsible safelists.